The construction here of a bogus epiclesis also deprives the Quam oblationem of its signs of the cross, which, pace many reformers, should not have been stripped away. He entered religious life in 1945, and was ordained in 1958, and so had a long experience of the Latin text. After the long (it should not really be shortened!) Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord. for the Usus antiquior, the EF. Accept them as you graciously accepted the gifts of your righteous servant Abel, the sacrifice of our patriarch Abraham and the offering of your high priest Melchizedek, a holy sacrifice and spotless victim. I have never heard EP I used at Mass since the introduction of RM ’11. Thanks Jeffrey! A better rendering would be ‘at the intercession of them both’ or ‘in response to the intercession of them both’. I incline to interpret the triple use of ‘hostia’ in this section of EP1 as being in apposition to ‘panem sanctum vitae aeternae et calicem salutis perpetuae’, which follows immediately. Celebrant: Let us give thanks unto our Lord God. It is indeed right, it is our duty and our joy, at all times and in all places to give you thanks and praise, It is right to give our thanks and praise. Lift up your hearts. Canon, does that style of English resonate well in the ears of Brits? We lift them to the Lord. In the Missale Romanum (2002/2007), other Eucharistic http://www.icelweb.org/musicfolder/openmusic.phphttp://www.musicasacra.com/ EUCHARISTIC PRAYER C ASB 1980 Rite A Prayer 4 revised. I have worked at it on and off for some years, and although I have not used it at Mass, I have often spoken it out loud with gestures to get the feel of it. reflection on the sacred mysteries is exalted and emotion (or as I would put it, “pathos”) is deprecated. Practically all the OF form Masses that I have seen were celebrated with the 2nd Eucharistic prayer. Slightly adapted version with NZ Anglican responses, Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress. Calvin Symposium on Worship 2021 – Online and Free! I respect your view. Whatever its lacks as an exacting translation of the Latin, I think it is hard to beat the sure rhythms of 1967. English translation: A. GELSTON, The Eucharistic Prayer of Addai and Mari , Clarendon Press, Oxford 1992, 48-55 1 THE ANAPHORA OF THE APOSTLES ADDAI AND MARI — The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God the Father and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with us all, now and at all times and for ever and ever. Indeed one of the finest in his considerable experience. Through him we ask you to accept and bless these gifts we offer you in sacrifice. Lift up your hearts. The Lord be with you. Thank you for that.I think on the whole I’d be easier with ‘sacrifice’ than’victim’ which has a certain ‘weighting’ in modern English. Approve it and in every way confirm it. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. @Jordan Zarembo – comment #21: In 2 Kings 22:14, she is identified as a prophetess and the wife of Shalum, keeper of the wardrobe. Lift up your hearts. Though that is absurd, these folks think of themselves as kind of sacred cows and their view prevailed. Spanish syntax became more “natural” for me by the time I was in high school. – “Though it provided great security for its proponents, this narrow-minded, non-change reasoning isn’t biblical. 1 In the Communicantes. Per omnia saecula saculorum. But I do not see anywhere in Scripture directly saying it should be done that way, and the Early Church Fathers seem to say that it must be done by a Eucharistic Prayer instead (for example, Saint Ambrose; De fide ad Gratianum 4.10.125). For instance, in the canon of the Mass, the 1570 missal has: Hoc est enim corpus meum … Hic est enim calix sanguinis mei. Eucharistic Prayer C – The Great Thanksgiving. 2. Those who call for the destruction of the Latin language in the life of the Roman rite in actuality wish to tear the foundations of our faith down to the most bare foundation of dogma and doctrinal allegiance. I celebrated our Tuesday EF Low Mass yesterday and as usual I am struck by the contemplative nature of this Mass, especially the Low Mass. Eucharistic Prayer 1. Now! Yet, the Spirit works hard and the content remains, but rendered in such away as it flowed from the tongue and touched the listener. The new translation treats Lit Auth in so cavalier a fashion that there can be few who support both. Therefore, joining with Angels and Archangels and with the faithful of every generation, we lift our voices with all creation as we sing: Holy, holy, holy Lord, There’s not really enough space in the comments to make a detailed observation of the whole, and right now I don’t really have the time. For me, the ritual text is one which is spoken, or rather performed by a bodied speaker. Then on May 1, 2013, … Don’t get me wrong: the Roman Rite goes long, but it does it by adding more and more, like including lengthy litanies of the saints; but typically, if … ‘Through their merits and prayers grant us . How much bother could have been avoided if accurate translations into English had, ad interim, been allowed at Mass for everything. I have read the text aloud only once. list of saints whose names are prayed as it were in passing, we come to a sort of climax at the Hanc igitur. Blessed are you strong and … PRAYER B. Heaven and earth are full of your glory. @Jack Feehily – comment #33: I don’t think that Latin capitalisation remained constant from the most ancient texts to 1570 to 1962 to the current Latin missal. Though that is absurd, these folks think of themselves as kind of sacred cows and their view prevailed. We lift them to the Lord. Eucharistic prayer is often different: I frequently look to the linguistic unity of the prayer for inspiration, and not individual words or phrases necessarily. I cringe each week when I hear and pray the clunky translation. Many conservatives throw around heretical terms and presume it’s always somebody else, especially postmodernists. The action verbs appear mostly right at the beginning of the paragraphs: “We offer to you”… “Remember, Lord…” “We venerate…” “Accept this offering (1998)… ” “Bless this offering…” “We celebrate the memory (1973)…” etc. (Through Christ our Lord, Amen. Those who have enlisted the “Edomites” of a strident vernacularization to destroy our linguistic heritage have traded the song of the Canon, its ancient folds of knowledge in meter and literary device, for an everlasting but never satisfied desire to cater to the perceived trends of the day. EUCHARISTIC PRAYER 1 (ROMAN CANON) WITH PROPER FORM OF COMMUNICANTES ON THE EPIPHANY OF THE LORD. You formed us in your own image and called us to dwell in your infinite love. Since ‘bread’ and ‘cup’ are inanimate, I would suggest ‘a pure sacrifice, a holy sacrifice, a perfect sacrifice’. Only then a reader of the score shall not be found. Never touched Hebrew, except when I was working with multiple Biblical translations for 3 years in the mid-1990s on a group project for a small intentional Catholic church community guided in part by a Jesuit scripture scholar). What is good ritual text is one which makes the praying body present. . Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. Thanks, Jonathan, for the link to Jeffrey’s synopsis — very illuminating. Those two lines have now been restored. One could see capitalization as a continuation of that ancient practice. Priests need to surrender to the text offered for prayer, not seek to improve it. Jordan Zarembo is right about Latin. I am grateful to you for the fine text that you have been willing (dared!) I’m going to sit back now and see who comes up with a more credible one. And also with you. ± it is right and just. That said, I think this translation, together with the 1998 translation, is far better than the 2008 and 2011 translations. The time now may be for the composition of new texts in various vernacular languages, for the sharing and exchange of them among churches. The Lord be with you and also with you. 639 g You are the Sa viour of the world. Through the song of the Canon the Roman Church has heard the rise and fall of empires, the revolution of cultures and the reform of ecclesiastical spheres, the most heinous of human inhumanity towards fellow human beings, and the most profound examples of selflessness. Latin, then, is not an obscurant’s hobby but rather one of the greatest liberators of minds. Liturgy and Sacraments. While capitalization of sacred words might not be an early practice, the abbreviation of sacred names is a very early Christian practice. The problem is that the authors of the new translation were not masters, but obvious amatuers of liturgical English. Not appreciating these aims has led to much of the negative reception of the revised translation. We beg you, admit us into their company, not considering what we deserve but granting us your forgiveness. EUCHARISTIC PRAYER FOR CHILDREN 1. We lift them up to the Lord. Make it spiritual and acceptable, so that for us it may become the body and blood of your dearly-beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. This is why I am very skeptical that the vernacularization of the anaphora has truly benefited the Church. But he is also wearing a hat topped with a propeller, as well as a necklace of brass bells. Jump to: navigation, search "Who are Certain Saints Mentioned in the Holy Mass?" ∕. V. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. A point sometimes made is that it is not easy to hear and understand them. Subjecct, verb, object. The BCP is full of it. We lift them to the Lord. Praise God for a simple declarative sentence!!! ∕. ), Remember also, Lord, your servants (NN) who have gone before us marked with the sign of faith and rest in the sleep of peace. In this prayer, the celebrant acts in the person of Christ as head of his body, the Church. MASSES FOR VARIOUS NEEDS I . Yes, I see your point, and it is well taken. Personally, I now believe that the mistake made in the ’60s was to adapt and translate at the same time. ‘ seems to imply that ‘meritis precibusque’ is ablative. Both of you are among my great heroes, in a roster that now (alas!) The prayer is also called The Great Thanksgiving, the anaphora, the prayer of consecration, and the canon of the Mass. 333-343), four for Rite 2 (pp. A core concept of liturgical postmodernism is the notion that Latin is non-egalitarian. You delivered us from slavery, sustained us in the wilderness, and raised up prophets to renew your promise of salvation. From MXnet. The ICEL translation we abandoned was perfect and captured the spirit and movement of this beautiful prayer; all subsequent messing around with it is getting nobody anywhere. I had to go back and read it myself to understand it. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. Therefore we proclaim the mystery of faith: Christ has died. Florida123: When is the first Eucharistic prayer … Eucharistic Prayer for Use in Masses for Various Needs (I - IV) (from the 3rd Edition of the Roman Missal, English Translation, 2011) . We used to capitalise more words than we do today. Being Catholic means “both-and” not…. In the Eucharist, the part of the prayer that bears the term has historically been viewed both as a blessing and consecration of the elements of bread and wine. My issue with the new translation is not that it is impersonal or formal or hieratic but that, in far too many cases, it bears little resemblance to any previous form of English – modern English, Cranmerian English, etc. English is an important language, so we must keep trying. That’s the only remark I’ll make on capitalization, preferring to ponder over the Canon’s text and translations. Blessed are you, gracious God, creator of the universe and giver of life. During the Eucharistic Prayer I, before the consecration, the priest calls to mind all members of the Church, including the Saints in heaven, acknowledging we are all united in praise and worship of God. It … Through him we ask you to accept and bless these gifts, these offerings, these holy and unblemished sacrifices. We lift them to the Lord. within the Eucharistic Prayer and to set out more clearly the dif - ferent facets of the mystery of salvation” (364). David Friel (Views from the Choir Loft) noted:. The goal is intelligibility but also a certain impersonality. Vatican approves ban on Communion on the Tongue, No one should be excluded from the grace of these sacraments, GOSPEL COMMUNION: 2nd Sunday in Ordinary Time, Lectors and Acolytes — we need to reflect first, Pray Tell: An open forum on faith in South Texas. Could a proponent of Lit Auth and the new translation please explain this? I would be interested to get reactions to this, and I have my hard hat handy. People We lift them to the Lord. The English Version is just as tough as the Latin! For them we offer, as they also offer you, this sacrifice of praise for themselves and those dear to them, to obtain the redemption of their souls, to have hope for their health and security. 137:4-7 NRSV). Given that miniscule letters turned up relatively late in the Latin alphabet (around 800 I think — but I welcome correction on this) I have never understood Liturgiam Authenticam §33, “The use of capitalization in the liturgical texts of the Latin editiones typicae as well as in the liturgical translation of the Sacred Scriptures, for honorific or otherwise theologically significant reasons, is to be retained in the vernacular language at least insofar as the structure of a given language permits.”. Do this in memory of me.’. Jordan, is your heart never moved to greater devotion by hearing some phrase in the eucharistic prayer (even if you’ve heard it a thousand times before)? I’m not presenting this version as a ‘perfected’ text nor a sublime example of Eng. This is not easy to do, but when it is done well, it adds immeasurably to the weight and depth of what is actually being said. The Lord be with you. What do I mean? And with your spirit. The People may join in saying this prayer. ± We lift them up to the Lord. 5:19. We lift them up to the Lord . That was the 1960s. Holy, Holy (the "Sanctus"; based on the praise of the Seraphim in Isa 6:3 and Rev 4:8): Neither way of life is without fault. 255-256 (cfr. Then those who most stridently called for vernacularization will realize that Mass “for the people” was in fact an exile with no return. This translation is not in the vernacular of Americans. I just don’t think it works well to speak English with Latin syntax. When is the first Eucharistic prayer used? Posts about Eucharistic Prayer 1 written by stjosephstmary. 1) Eucharistic Prayer I, i.e. M. To you, therefore, most merciful Father, we make humble prayer and petition through Jesus Christ, your Son, our Lord: that you accept. You gave the world into our care that we might be your faithful stewards and show forth your bountiful grace. It is right to give him thanks and praise. It still doesn’t make the poverty of the particular approach at Latinized syntax any more justifiable. But the Eucharistic Prayer spoken or chanted audibly and in the vernacular has its own beauty as long as the priest doesn’t do it in a proclamation tone as though to the assembly before him or preferably behind him. What benefit is there is hearing the discrete words of the eucharistic prayer? Honestly, I don’t think your translation is going to do much for those who are negatively disposed to the 2011 translation of the Roman Canon. ; Chicago: Hillenbrand Books, 2009), 47-51. James Anthony Del Rosario, na magdidiwang ng kanyang 7th Presbyteral Anniversary. It is right to give our thanks and praise. Eucharistic Prayer IV: The Unknown Eucharistic Prayer by Joe Heschmeyer Yesterday, my girlfriend went to daily Mass at Blessed Sacrament in Arlington, and came away a bit confused by the Liturgy — she explained to me that it sounded like the Mass, was clearly not being improvised by the priest, and yet was different at almost every point from what she was used to. I’ve deliberately not taken up a position on ‘chalice’ v. ‘cup’ or ‘for all’ v ‘for many.’ I think that in respect of the issues I outline above, these are a distraction. The Lord be with you. Some folks at the Vatican thought that capitalizing certain words makes them more sacred or reverent. The current translation doesn’t use Elizabethan wording (thee, thou etc. Underlying this regular pattern is the conviction that ‘there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus’ (1 Tim 2:5). Required fields are marked *. If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither! It is truly right, and good and joyful, to give you thanks, all-holy God, source of life and fountain of mercy. It didn’t make any difference to them that vocalizing capitalized words is not comprehensible. Lift up your hearts. Down to its foundations!’ ” (Ps. The priest used Sundays in OT VIII this weekend. TheMc February 9, 2011, 5:20pm #2. The Roman Canon prayed in Latin with all its rubrical gestures and in a low voice is striking in the sense that those present, priest and laity realize this is prayer to God in the “holy of holies.” The gestures speak volumes and quite loudly although the prayer is hushed and in the elegance of the Latin vernacular. It is right to give our thanks and praise. Eucharistic Prayer for Masses with Children I Using the New Translation of the Roman Missal _____ The priest begins the Eucharistic Prayer. Your considerable gifts as a Latinist and as an English stylist are certainly equal to those of the priest I referred to. When is the first Eucharistic prayer used? Liturgical postmodernism is just as totalized as the liturgical ideology of the Tridentine era. My parishioners nearly all have English as first or subsidiary language, but all have some exposure to Latin, which remains “neutral” in the sense of highest common factor. @Jack Feehily – comment #5: RTF version. Todd – this was just posted and supports your comment: http://ncronline.org/blogs/spiritual-reflections/everything-sacred, Highlights: The ungainly collects are inspiring some celebrants to replace them with spontaneous prayer of their own composition, something any priest worth his salt should be able to do. ((John McKenna, The Eucharistic Epiclesis (Second Edition. That is why our prayers to the Father end ‘Per Christum’. Yes, it is time to get beyond translation and to create our own prayers. Should this happen, the faithful will be empowered to drink deeply of our liturgical and theological heritage. Admire your effort, though, to consider an improved text. And with your spirit. I generally like the way you’ve reworked it. And unless the discussion is widened, people in Rome will have no idea they represent only a sliver of genuine orthodoxy. Re “the pure victim, the holy victim, the perfect victim”, Latin ‘hostia’ can be used for animates (humans and animals) and for inanimates. We offer them in union with your servant N. our pope and N. our bishop, with all who worship you in truth and serve the Catholic and apostolic faith. I do experience heartfelt moments, especially when reflecting on scripture and the propers of the Mass both during and after the liturgy. It was the absolute work of the Spirit. I used to pray (rather than say) EPI a number of Sundays each year from the sacramentary, but did it once in the 2011 text only to find I couldn’t really pray it. AMEN. For “thinks” READ “things”.). It is right and just. The official translation constantly ignores this well-founded tradition of the Roman euchology. Your email address will not be published. In 2 Kings 22:14, she is identified as a prophetess and … I’m thinking of a paraphrase of Syndrome’s taunt in The Incredibles: When everything is capitalized then nothing will be. It is right to give him thanks and praise . 2.1 The text; In the Communicantes The text. This ancient text is especially appropriate for Sundays, unless for pastoral considerations Eucharistic Prayer III … in response to) their merits and prayers’. I certainly don’t think that liturgical prayer needs to be ‘dumbed down’ or written in a casual style. There are small parts of your translation I like (keeping the T right at the start of the Canon is a good artistic move), but I much prefer 2011. I’m sure it’s far from perfect, but at least the sentences are a bit shorter. All: And with your spirit Priest: Lift up your hearts. Celebrant: Lift up your hearts. ((John McKenna, The Eucharistic Epiclesis (Second Edition. We lift them to the Lord. I may not benefit as much as others by hearing the words of the eucharistic prayer, but that does not mean that no one ever benefits. I am sure that to some it will sound ‘clunky.’ Hey ho, as they say. 4 above. On the night before he died for us, Our Savior Jesus Christ took bread, and when he had given thanks to you, he broke it, and gave it to his friends, and said: “Take, eat: This is my Body which is given for you. Eucharistic Prayer IV is unique among the three in that the Preface of this prayer must always be used and not changed out with another Preface (see GIRM, 365d). Eucharistic PrayEr i (thE roman canon) 83. Blog Staff and Editorial Advisory Committee, Liborius Lumma Appointed to Catholic-Protestant Dialogue, Sr. Jeana Visel, OSB receives Teacher-Scholar Grant from the Calvin Institute of Worship, 59th Annual Southwest Liturgy Conference Study Week – Online Feb. 2-4. Lift up your hearts We lift them up to the Lord. The Celebrant, whether bishop or priest, faces them and sings or says : The Lord be with you. The Celebrant, whether bishop or priest, faces them and sings or says The Lord be with you. All: It is right and just The people remain standing. As for us, your ministers, sinners who hope in your abundant mercy, grant us of your goodness a share in the fellowship of your holy apostles and martyrs: with John the Baptist, Stephen, Matthias, Barnabas, Ignatius, Alexander, Marcellinus, Peter, Felicity, Perpetua, Agatha, Lucy, Agnes, Cecilia, Anastasia and all your saints. TheMc February 9, 2011, 5:20pm #2. 361-375), and two shortened forms in An Order for Celebrating the Holy Eucharist (pp. Finally, what we really need,I believe, is updated books (new sanctoral, prefaces, etc.) I think both aims can be realised, but would not presume to pretend that mine is anything more than a starter, and there are many other people with greater gifts than I have in this field. Doing so would be like removing a puzzle piece, staring at the intricacy of the piece removed, and then wondering why the puzzle doesn’t “work”. This is not the problem at all. The Lord be with you. It didn’t make any difference to them that vocalizing capitalized words is not comprehensible. Then follows the Preface to be used in accord with the rubrics, which concludes: holy, holy, holy Lord God of … To use Mgr Harbert’s analogy of vestments, the priest saying Mass in the new translation may be wearing a chasuble. The authentic unbroken tradition of worship is Jesus Christ. Scopri Eucharistic Prayer II, Pt. Answer: At Mass, we are usually used to the four main Eucharistic Prayers. I realize that “heavenward” might strike some as archaic, but to me it sounds better thatn”to heaven to you.”. This ancient text is especially appropriate for Sundays, unless for pastoral considerations Eucharistic Prayer III is preferred. Small thing on Joseph — should be “spouse” rather than “husband” based, apparently, on Mary’s continued state of virginity. (Through Christ our Lord, Amen.). We then recall Saint Stephen, the deacon and first martyr of the Church . Accuracy has no particular theological significance, and remains a dangerous lean toward Gnosticism. goes back four decades. Heaven and earth are full of your glory. I wish we had a style-o-meter or pray-o-meter to assess the total impact of the current trans as opposed to the first one — the fact that priests are shunning the Roman Canon altogether now speaks volumes. 1. We shall encounter an example on Tuesday in the Collect for Saint Monica, which translates ‘utriusque interventu’ as ‘through the intercession of them both’. Your email address will not be published. Vatican II proclaimed that Mass should be in the vernacular of the people. ), We celebrate the most sacred night (day) when blessed Mary the immaculate Virgin brought forth the Saviour for this world, and we venerate …, We celebrate the most sacred day on which your Only-Begotten Son who is eternal with you in your glory, appeared in a human body, truly sharing our flesh, and we venerate …, We celebrate the most sacred night (day) of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ in the flesh, and we venerate …, We celebrate the most sacred day on which your Only-Begotten Son, our Lord, placed at the right hand of your glory our frail human nature which he had united to himself, and we venerate …, We celebrate the most sacred day of Pentecost, on which the Holy Spirit appeared to the apostles in tongues of fire, and we venerate …. Contents. @Bill deHaas – comment #17: The prayer must be considered in its totality. The BCP includes eight eucharistic prayers: two for Rite 1 (pp. It took until November 13, 1962 for Pope John XXIII to insert the name of St. Joseph into the first Eucharistic Prayer. Eucharistic Prayer For Priests . Fr. That said, worshiping in a non-primary language most definitely has the whiff of specialized experience, and an indirect worship of aristocracy. Celebrating the Grace of God, originating with Bishop Brian Carrel, eschewed the use of “Blessed is he…” (words unpopular for some in the Eucharistic Prayer). You have filled us and all creation with your blessing and fed us with your constant love; you have redeemed us in Jesus Christ and knit us into one body. Yesterday. These we offer to you first for your holy Catholic Church. An example of the latter is ‘hostia laudis’, correctly translated ‘sacrifice of praise’ in the 1973 and 2011 versions and by Canon Griffiths. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. With hands extended he sings (or says): The Lord be with you. Hosanna in the highest. The translation is a stumbling block. Through Christ and with Christ and in Christ…, –is perhaps one of the clunkiest things I have ever read. The theology of retrenchment needs to be balanced with the genuine needs of the current age. Logical. ); why should it use anachronistic capitalisation? With deep reverence we ask you, almighty God: command that these gifts be carried by the hands of your holy angel to your altar on high in the sight of your divine majesty. Born into the human family, and dwelling among us, he revealed your glory. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God It is right to give him thanks and praise. @Fr William R. Young – comment #15: The congregation struggles to figure out what is going on. In the Eucharist, the part of the prayer that bears the term has historically been viewed both as a blessing and consecration of the elements of bread and wine. 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